Today’s episode of Research Like a Pro is about Diana’s experiment to see if doing surname searches at each DNA testing website could help her find matches about a research question. She then used the results of her searches to decide if she had enough matches to work on this research objective. Mary “Clemsy” Cline, born in 1818 in Missouri, is one of our brick walls. Diana talks about using the search features at AncestryDNA, 23andMe, FTDNA, and MyHeritage to filter her match list and find DNA matches with the surname Cline in their family tree. Once she found matches descending from the research subject, Mary Cline, and her hypothesized father, John Cline, Diana determined that there were enough matches to work with that she could do this project. We talk about finding additional matches using the shared matches of those found through the surname search.
Transcript
Nicole (1s):
This is Research Like a Pro episode 170, Choosing a DNA Objective Using a Surname Search. Welcome to Research Like a Pro a Genealogy Podcast about taking your research to the next level, hosted by Nicole Dyer and Diana Elder accredited genealogy professional.
Nicole (45s):
Diana and Nicole are the mother-daughter team at FamilyLocket.com and the creators of the Amazon bestselling book, The Research Like a Pro a Genealogists Guide. I’m Nicole co-host of the podcast join Diana and me as we discuss how to stay organized, make progress in our research and solve difficult cases. Let’s go, Hi everyone. Welcome to Research Like a Pro.
Diana (48s):
Hi, Nicole, how are you doing today?
Nicole (50s):
I’m doing great. I’ve been working on writing a client report, and it’s an interesting one because there are several generations. There’s like three generations that I’m working on in a family. And so I’m trying to decide how to organize that. And usually I put the previously known information at the very beginning, but this time I think I might split it out into previously known information for each generation so that it flows a little better instead of having to make the reader remember back to the beginning of the report. When I talked about previously known information about generation two and three,
Diana (1m 26s):
I think that’s a really good idea. And that kind of points to the fact that every report is a little different depending on the project. So you adapt.
Nicole (1m 34s):
So what have you been doing
Diana (1m 37s):
Well, I’ve working on my DNA study group project, and I’m working with the matches of one of my second cousins twice removed, I believe. And he’s two generations closer to my Cynthia Dillard. Everybody listening has heard that name a lot, and I’m trying to find her father or candidates for her father with this project. And it’s pretty much coming down to pure DNA because I have done so much research in the documents that come up with just, you know, a bunch of negatives. So I wanted to use this DNA of her great grandson. And the first thing that we do is do some initial clustering.
Diana (2m 18s):
So I just did a Leeds method for his DNA matches on Ancestry because they haven’t worked with his matches before. And I don’t know all these different people, you know, when we work with our own DNA matches, we get to know all the different people and we recognize the names and we can just immediately go, oh, that’s great-Grandma’s family, that’s great-Grandpa’s family. And we assign them almost in our heads because we know the surnames and such, but this one I’m coming at pretty new. There’s a few matches from our side that I recognize, but I wanted to do a Leeds chart just to get an idea. And of course this is Southern ancestry. And so I have quite a lot of pedigree collapsed so instead of the four nice great-grandparent lines I have got 11.
Diana (3m 5s):
So we’re seeing some intermarriage that I will sort out, or I will try to find some matches that aren’t involved in that and perhaps work with them. I don’t know. It was just a fun exercise to see what was going on.
Nicole (3m 16s):
Yeah. And Dana has a post on our website about that. I’ll have to link to it in the show notes, but I’ve looked at those before. It’s called Leeds Method. Why Do I Have More Than for Clusters or Time to Consolidate?
Diana (3m 31s):
Yeah, I will definitely be working with that. And it’s fun cause Dana’s in our study groups. So I can even reach out to her and say, okay, look at this, see what you think.
Nicole (3m 41s):
Yes. Yes. You just, I think she just talks about overlap a person with more than one color, heavy overlap. And she says to just combine those colors into one when you have a lot of overlap between Clusters.
Diana (3m 54s):
Oh, that makes sense. And I did notice that, that there were like my blue, red and green heavy overlap. Those are obviously all one group of people coming down. But what I want to do is try to figure out where the marriage was, the related people. I’m just always curious about that to see what’s happening. So I’ll probably use that as some clues for a little research. And when I start diagramming out the lines, I’m sure that’ll start to come clear.
Nicole (4m 21s):
Absolutely. I love the way that it helps us see everything clearly when we put it into at least a chart diagram or whatever kind of diagram you’re making. Yeah. For our announcements today, we have DNA study group that begins on February 16th, 2022. We’ll start registration for that in December. So you can plan ahead next fall. We’ll do the Research Like a Pro study group without DNA. And if you would like to be a peer group leader, please think about that. And you can apply on our website. Yeah. Be sure to join our newsletter, our family Locket newsletter that comes out every Monday. And sometimes we’ll send you special newsletters on days other than Monday with coupons and deals When we have a special going on,
Diana (5m 6s):
I’m actually pretty excited that we’re going to do the DNA study group back to back, because then if I don’t quite figure out my objective for this study group, I can just continue right on working with it in the spring. So that’ll be great. Well, today we’re going to talk a little bit about Choosing a DNA Objective Using a Surname Search, which is a fun feature on the different testing websites. I wrote this blog posts because I was just doing a little exploring with some of my matches and trying to think what would be some good projects to do. You know, we all have brick walls that we want to break down, but do we really have enough DNA to break down that brick wall?
Diana (5m 47s):
So there’s a few things that you can do with the Surname search to give you some ideas about choosing that objective. The example that I used in the blog posts that we’ll talk about is my ancestor, Mary Clemsy Cline. And she was born in about 1818 in Missouri. Now I have a hypothesis that her father is John Cline. That’s who a lot of people in online trees have assigned as her father. And so she would be a great candidate for DNA because I have traced her back to Missouri and I found a possible brother and Jacob Cline, but you know, just not a lot of documentary evidence at that time period in that place for a father.
Diana (6m 32s):
So I thought it would be fun to look on every testing website and to see what I could find with my Clines.
Nicole (6m 40s):
Well, that’s a fun idea to choose a brick wall that you have and then search for that Surname. And that would work well for Cline spelled C L I N E. But what about Smith? You know, that probably wouldn’t work as well with it.
Diana (6m 53s):
You’re right. It probably wouldn’t. You can still try it, but it may not be as useful because you’d have so many different names that would come up, but client is a little bit more unusual. So, you know, I decided just to see what it was like on each of the different testing websites, because each of them does let you search by a Surname to quickly narrow down your matches to some specific lines. So if you’ve never tried this before, it’s fast, it’s easy and it’s kind of fun. So you could pick one of your more unusual surnames perhaps with a brick wall, or maybe you want to just do some verification. You know, you have proven through documents and ancestor, and now you would like to back it up with the DNA.
Diana (7m 37s):
So it could work for any kind of a project. So 23andMe lets you search by keyword. So it doesn’t specifically say Surname, but you can add a Surname and a locality. Then you can also filter by either mom or dad’s side to narrow down your DNA matches. So I liked that you could put in a locality because that helps you narrow in as well. And people on 23 and me can add in localities for their family history. And sometimes you get really lucky and find something great.
Nicole (8m 12s):
Yeah. That’s a really fun thing at 23andMe that you can filter by mom’s side or dad’s side and that’s because you’ve had your mom take a test there. Right.
Diana (8m 21s):
That’s right. And I am so glad you mentioned that because you suggested that I had had her tests on ancestry and then uploaded her DNA on the other sites, but 23andMe, you have to test there and you had suggested that I just do that because there’s some great tools on 23andMe, and I’m so glad I did that because it’s been really, really helpful having that bucketed to mom’s side. And then if they’re not on the mom’s side, you know, they’re on the dad’s side. Yeah.
Nicole (8m 48s):
Yeah. So you can just type in any kind of keyword, but it has to be something that, that DNA match might have on their profile. Right, right. So they can put in surnames and they can put in locations. Right. Is that what most people have on 23andMe?
Diana (9m 5s):
Yes. And so when I did Cline and Missouri and I filtered it to father’s side because I knew this was my father’s line, there were two matches that came right up that had both Cline and Missouri in their profile page. And that was really helpful. I love it when people put something about their family tree in there, because now I can contact them and have a good message saying, I see that we possibly match Cline’s in Missouri. And I would love to connect with you and work more on this. So I have more information when I’m giving them a message just rather than just a random message saying, Hey, we connect, how do you do you know how we connect?
Diana (9m 46s):
So it’s better to have an idea, I think, yeah,
Nicole (9m 50s):
That’s really lucky you, when you can find a match from that second or third grade grandparent, and then you figure out how you’re related and then you can use them to sort your matches, look at their shared match list and find more matches to likely descend from that common ancestral couple. So that’s always really a piece of gold there when you can find that match at 23andMe who’s from the right ancestor, right?
Diana (10m 14s):
Because it only takes one or two matches. And then you use their shared Matching to find more people who maybe have not put in a Surname or locality, but you know, you connect with them on this possible line. So
Nicole (10m 28s):
Yeah. And then the tools at 23andMe are really great because you can see how much those two people share with each other. And so what I did on a project once with that is I found somebody who descended from that common ancestor, looked at the shared matches and then looked for their closest matches and then compared them to each other. And you can really get an idea of who everyone is a little bit faster that way.
Diana (10m 50s):
Yes, I have used that so much seeing how they are related to their matches. It makes a huge difference. Great point.
Nicole (10m 59s):
So what about on Ancestry with the surname Search?
Diana (11m 4s):
Well, Ancestry has a specific Surname Search, so it will locate the common Surname of both your tree and that have a DNA match. This weeds out, those matches who don’t have a tree for one thing, which we all know there are lots and lots of people in Ancestry that don’t have trees. And then you get the smaller pool of possibilities of people that just have that Surname in their tree. So that is nice. And you do that easily just by clicking on search at the top of your DNA matches, and then you enter it in the field labeled Surname in matches trees. And then you can look to see if it’s on the correct line. If you have a common name like Smiths, you’re going to get way too many.
Diana (11m 46s):
But again, if you can determine a little bit less common name that might be in someone’s tree, maybe you can get a good pool of matches. So I did that. I put in Cline as a Surname and I could also put in a birth location. So I put in Missouri and I had nine matches and the top match has identified John Cline as an ancestor, which is my hypothesis. So right away quickly, I was able to find a match. And I could again, look at shared matches and use that as a basis for my project.
Nicole (12m 21s):
That’s awesome that you could find it right away like that Ancestry does have the best trees of all the sites. So it’s usually the go-to website that you go to first to find matches because not only have the largest database, but they have all these great trees. So that’s exciting. I have found it, that Surname Search and the birth location Search when you put them together that it doesn’t always work. Like I would hope it would, which is fine. But I mean, sometimes that birth location is taken to be very broad. You know, how ancestry has those sliders? Yeah. It’s like sometimes I can’t find anybody in the matches tree that showed up in the list after I searched for that, that has that birth location. And I’m like, did they just ignore that?
Nicole (13m 2s):
I don’t know. Maybe there’s just so many people in the tree that I just didn’t find that person
Diana (13m 6s):
It’s a starting point. Right. And then you have to keep digging.
Nicole (13m 10s):
Definitely. I think it’s well, it’s a good way to try and narrow things down. So that’s helpful.
Diana (13m 17s):
And I, especially like the filters out, the people that don’t have trees so that you end up with a small list of people with trees. It’s a time-saver and it lets you see if there’s some valid DNA matches to work with. And this is a little bit further back for me. So I am working with further back cousins. Like the top match was a fourth to sixth cousin sharing 27 centimorgans. And so I’d, I’d have to really work to make sure it was sharing on this right line and that we didn’t share DNA on other lines, you know, looking at both of our trees, but at least gives me a starting point for a project and lets me know that I do have something to work with.
Diana (13m 57s):
Okay.
Nicole (13m 58s):
Absolutely. Let’s talk a little bit about finding those surnames in common between you and a match. So you mentioned that earlier, but you go to that a little bit of a different way, right? So you click on your match and then you scroll down on the match page and it tells you the list of shared surnames between your tree and the DNA matches tree.
Diana (14m 19s):
Right. And that’s helpful.
Nicole (14m 21s):
So that’s a really helpful way when you’re looking at a tree to kind of figure things out, especially if ancestry hasn’t figured it out already for you, it gives you some suggestions, but oftentimes it just picks out the most common surnames, like, look, you have three people with a certain Smith Miller and then I’m looking at a match right now. And we have seven people with the Surname, Dyer and three with the Surname Arnold, but there’s also some Millers and Smiths. Another thing I like to do with this surnames on the match pages, click on the person and look at surnames in that person’s tree only. Yes. You know, when you’re doing pedigree triangulation and trying to figure out the common ancestor among a cluster of matches where it’s an unknown cluster to you.
Nicole (15m 2s):
And so you don’t have those people in your tree. And so they’re not going to show up and shared surnames and hopefully they know who the ancestor is and they have in their tree. And sometimes you can use those certain names to figure it out, but often they’ll have like a hundred surnames there. So it’s a lot to sort through.
Diana (15m 20s):
Yeah, it is. And sometimes they may not know for sure the correct ancestor they’ve gathered information from other trees, but if you see a Surname and you’re in the right county or location for the time period that you suspect is right, but let’s, you know, you’re kind of on the right track.
Nicole (15m 38s):
That’s true. And another thing that I’ve done with Ancestry’s Surname search is looking for those unique surnames that some of the descendants have, you know, you’re talking about finding John Cline’s descendants and if he had a daughter who married like a unique Surname, like I have been searching for the Surname Vandever. And so that’s one of the descendants in a DNA case I’m working on. And so all their descendants have that name Vandever in their tree. It’s not in my tree because my person married somebody else and didn’t have that same surname, but they both come from the same father, I think. So it’s a helpful way to kind of narrow down people who could be descending through that line.
Diana (16m 20s):
That’s a really good suggestion to look for a different Surname. That’s connected. You could do that with your Smith family to find somebody that’s a little bit more unique that married in or somehow has connection to that.
Nicole (16m 33s):
Yeah, those daughters who got married and, and especially if you’re far back enough, like in the early 1800s where a lot of people haven’t been able to trace, trace their tree back that far, if you’re able to trace the hypothesized ancestor forward in time, then you all of a sudden have a bunch of surnames for your hypothesis that you can start searching for all those children, those daughters who married someone else,
Diana (16m 57s):
Absolutely Ancestry does give you lots of fun tools. And because it is such a large database doing this kind of a search will help you to narrow down because it can seem overwhelming when you look at all those results, you know, your thousands of matches who is the one that’s going to help you. So some of these searches can help a lot.
Nicole (17m 17s):
And then you can just use that match. You find to help you find more matches that you can then build out their trees that are going to descend from that same side of that family. Right? So tell us about doing the Surname search at FamilyTreeDNA.
Diana (17m 31s):
Well, FamilyTreeDNA has a standard search for one Surname and an advanced search for two surnames. So that might be helpful if you have that common name of a Smith. And then you could put in one of the less common names for the second Surname and they will generate DNA who either use one of the surnames or have entered either Surname into their list of ancestral surnames. So again, you kind of have to understand what each website is giving you when you put that search in. And then if the match has a tree, you can quickly see if the common Surname connects to your line. So you might put in a Surname and then find out really it’s completely unconnected.
Diana (18m 13s):
But when I do this for my Cline Search, I found four matches on my paternal line. And because I have done the bucketing on FamilyTreeDNA, which means FamilyTreeDNA know which knows which ones are my maternal matches and which ones are my paternal matches. I could, you know, really quickly say, okay, I’ve got format to of my paternal line. And then I could look at, are in common with matches and accounts several more that I could then use. That’s great.
Nicole (18m 42s):
I’ll put a link in the show notes to my blog post about how to do FamilyTreeDNA Family Matching and bucketing, because it is so useful if you’ve done that, then when you do your Surname search, it’s like a quick verification that it’s on the right side of the family, right? So you can see, oh, this person is on the mom’s side, even though she has the Dyer Surname, she’s on the mom’s side. So I know it’s not right. You know, I want somebody on the father’s side, so it can help you narrow those down and see if your searches you’ll be in the right results that you want.
Diana (19m 15s):
It’s very, very helpful. And especially now where they’ve removed some of the really small matches, you have a little more confidence that these are viable matches.
Nicole (19m 25s):
You know, recently I saw Blaine Bettinger and Layla Larkin posting about how the new white paper from FamilyTreeDNA about their matching algorithm is showing even more clearly how the small segments are mostly false. And they have a really great table that was in the FamilyTreeDNA white paper. And it shows the percentage of false positives for one centimorgan segment, two centimorgan segments all the way up until 14. And it’s pretty amazing. You know, one centimorgan segment is 99.9, 6% false positive.
Nicole (20m 5s):
And then as you get up to like four centimorgans, it’s 81% false positives. Then the more you go up, the less percent you have. So by the time you get to 10 centimorgans, it’s only 2% of those are false positives. And then once you get past that, it’s a pretty good bet that they’re going to be true segments. You know, 12, 13 and 14 centimorgan segments are 0.5% false positives or 0.2, 9% false positives. So it’s just interesting to see on the table, how many of those smaller segments were false?
Diana (20m 43s):
I read the article and look to that too, and that wow, it’s of appalling that if you’re using small segments and relying on those about how many of those are false and I love how Blaine Bettinger calls those poisonous segments, those really small ones, because they can poison our findings right now. We’re relying on those.
Nicole (21m 6s):
Yeah. I’ll put the link to that in the show notes, I’m linking to the Layla Larkin one called the small segment debate is over and she has a screenshot of that table. I was just reading from, let’s see, going back to Surname searches. What about MyHeritage or wait, did you tell us what you found at FamilyTreeDNA?
Diana (21m 23s):
I found format touches that specifically had Cline and then they have shared Matching. The one thing we didn’t mention it, that’s kind of fun with FamilyTreeDNA is that when you are on the match page, it will have the list of their ancestral surnames right there. So you can look through it really quickly and you know, you can see it, they have a tree, it just gives you so much information now on their new Matching page, which I really like
Nicole (21m 50s):
The match list, it loads faster. And you can have a little higher confidence that your matches are actually sharing the amount that it says they’re sharing
Diana (21m 59s):
Makes me want to use it more. That’s great.
Nicole (22m 1s):
All right, let’s go onto MyHeritage then.
Diana (22m 4s):
MyHeritage, we’ll also locate DNA matches who share the Surname. So it’s maybe their Surname or they have it listed as an ancestral Surname in their tree and you just click their little magnifying glass icon, their search icon to open the search window and then enter the Surname and a list of matches appear. And then they can each be evaluated. So when I did that for Cline and MyHeritage, I came up with 20 matches. I found it a little bit more clunky though. And when I looked at their trees, I actually couldn’t find the clients in them. So I was a little confused about what MyHeritage was doing with it.
Diana (22m 43s):
So I, I didn’t dig into it anymore, but that was the one that I thought, well, I’m guessing there’s a reason why these are showing up with that Surname Search, but it wasn’t as easy for me to right away find matches that were really valid. Yeah. That’s
Nicole (23m 1s):
Tricky. We could be using a name that’s not in there Ancestors, but in there Ancestors descendants. So it wouldn’t appear in the pedigree right away.
Diana (23m 13s):
Right. And I think it just points out the fact that although we have the same type of searches on each website, each one is using a whole different algorithm for how they’re doing their searching and people put different things into each website. So you use that as a starting point, which is why I love doing a whole project. So if I were to do this project, which is on my list, I would use this tool to go find some relevant matches from each one of the websites and dive more into exploring those matches. But it gives you a good starting point,
Nicole (23m 51s):
For sure. Yeah. It was just testing that out at MyHeritage with your matches. And I noticed that all the people who are returning as a Cline match, you know, and I searched for that Surname. They have a lot of people in their tree, like over 500 or over a thousand. So they’d probably just have a random person in their tree with Cline.
Diana (24m 11s):
Yeah. And the first one that comes up is my first cousin on my mom’s side, which is not helpful because that’s the wrong side. So I just wasn’t as excited about my results there, but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t use that. I just would have to do more digging and, and do a really focused look at these matches. Yeah.
Nicole (24m 33s):
True. The one great feature about MyHeritage trees, which is similar to other trees like ancestry, is that once you click on the link to view the person’s tree, then there’s a search bar in the top, right. Called find a person. So you can just type in your surname again there, and it will bring up all of the people with that Surname. And one of these matches I’m looking at does have Mary Clemsy Cline in their tree. So. Oh, great. Awesome. I’ll tell you the name later.
Diana (24m 60s):
So yeah, it’s just a matter of sorting through them. And of course, if I were doing this project, I would be using our air table Research Log to be recording the matches that were relevant. So I wouldn’t lose them again because sometimes when you’re doing things like this, you get lost in the weeds of all the different results. And then you go back and you think, well, wait, who was that match? And that’s so disappointing what, it’s hard to find them again. Okay.
Nicole (25m 25s):
It’s good to keep track of the ones you look at, especially when you find that they’re related on that side of the family you want to work on,
Diana (25m 31s):
Right? Yeah. Even if you just wanted to do some preliminary work, I would definitely recommend starting an air table Research Log and naming your Objective. You know, my objective would be to find the father of Mary Clemsy Cline, born 1818, in Missouri. And then I could do some work searching for some good DNA matches on each website and, and get those entered into air table so that I wouldn’t be redoing that again. And again, just have them there waiting for me when I wanted to start working on that project.
Nicole (26m 3s):
Absolutely. I’m going to put a link to my latest Airtable DNA Research Log base in the show notes. I’m always making new ones because I find something that I want to do a little differently. So this one’s called RLP with DNA 2021 Research Log, check it out.
Diana (26m 21s):
It’s great. I just started a new project yesterday and started entering in using the new Log. And I really liked the changes you’ve made. I agree. Sometimes it just takes us experiment teaching and working through these projects to realize we would like to have a little different feature or we could maybe combine two things. I love it. The basics are the same. So if you’ve been using air table for DNA, it’s not like huge changes, but little things, little tweaks Nicole’s made that I think are great.
Nicole (26m 52s):
Yeah. I mean, I used to have to research logs in the air table base one for DNA and one for traditional, but I finally just realized I needed to have it all in one. And then I had a table for DNA test takers and then a table for DNA matches. And I was like, why don’t I just have one table for all the people that might be part of this project? And some of them might not be DNA testers or matches. They might just be a relative that I’m corresponding with or someone I’m asking to take a test or even the research subject to the neon sister that I’m focusing on. I might want to have them in my people tab. You know, I learned a lot from last year study group and the one before that, just by seeing what other people put in there, Research Log.
Nicole (27m 34s):
And there was one study group member who put a table just for the most recent common ancestral couples so that he could link to those. And that was kind of fun to see how he did that. So everybody does things it’s just a little different and it’s fun to learn from each other.
Diana (27m 49s):
Well, and the nice thing is once you have your basic log in place, you know, you can add to it with what your specific project needs. I know I have one client project that we’re going generation by generation back through the tree verifying and doing additional research. And I just decided to put it all in one Log and I have first-generation for one page, you know what, the records. And then I have the second generation and I start breaking it out second generation and the set of grandparents and this, that, but it’s been really nice because a lot of times those records connect, you know, you’ve got the child in one and then you’ve got them as a parent in another one and you can copy and paste records and everything’s altogether.
Diana (28m 30s):
So I experimented with that and thought, well, how do I want to do this? And so far that’s been working really well. So if you want to just verify your generations, that might be a fun idea to do.
Nicole (28m 43s):
Oh, great idea.
Diana (28m 45s):
Well, we’ve had some fun talking about DNA. Like we always do. I hope everyone listening can go try out the Surname search. Maybe you’ve used this a lot, but you haven’t tried it on all the different websites. So pick an uncommon Surname and go see what you can find and see if maybe you get some ideas for a good DNA objective for a research project.
Nicole (29m 7s):
All right. Thanks everybody. We’ll talk to you guys again next week. Bye-bye
Diana (29m 11s):
Bye.
Nicole (29m 48s):
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Links
Leeds Method: Why Do I Have More Than 4 Clusters? Or, Time to Consolidate! at Dana Leeds’ website https://www.danaleeds.com/leeds-method-time-to-consolidate/
Choosing a DNA Objective Using a Surname Search by Diana at Family Locket https://familylocket.com/choosing-a-dna-objective-using-a-surname-search/
FamilyTreeDNA Family Matching and Bucketing by Nicole at Family Locket https://familylocket.com/familytreedna-family-matching-and-bucketing/
The Small Segment Debate Is Over by Leah Larkin at DNA Geek https://thednageek.com/the-small-segment-debate-is-over/
RLP with DNA 2021 Research Log at Airtable https://www.airtable.com/universe/expNdDhZvsashJk28/rlp-with-dna-2021-research-log
Research Like a Pro Resources
Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist’s Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com – https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
Research Like a Pro eCourse – independent study course – https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
RLP Study Group – upcoming group and email notification list – https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist’s Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin – https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse – independent study course – https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
RLP with DNA Study Group – upcoming group and email notification list – https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-study-group/
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