RLP 373: Heirloom Charts with Robert Stevens

Nicole (1s):
This is Research Like a Pro episode 373: Heirloom Charts with Robert Stevens. Welcome to Research Like a Pro a Genealogy Podcast about taking your research to the next level, hosted by Nicole Dyer and Diana Elder accredited genealogy professional. Diana and Nicole are the mother-daughter team at FamilyLocket.com and the authors of Research Like a Pro A Genealogist Guide. With Robin Wirthlin they also co-authored the companion volume, Research Like a Pro with DNA. Join Diana and Nicole as they discuss how to stay organized, make progress in their research and solve difficult cases. Let’s go.

Nicole (41s):
Today’s episode is sponsored by Newspapers.com. Hi everyone, welcome to Research Like a Pro today.

Diana (48s):
Hi Nicole. How are you doing?

Nicole (50s):
So good. I, like I told you, last, you know, couple days ago I had a really exciting find in my mitochondrial DNA research And I had looked at all the matches for this new test taker that I had tested and no, nobody seemed to match, but then I revisited it as I was writing my research report and checking my work and noticed the, the person I had written down as the most distant matrilineal ancestor wasn’t showing in the Family Search tree anymore. So I looked up some other trees in Ancestry and found one that led right back to a common ancestor in the 1700s. And it was so exciting I had to get up and do my happy dance.

Nicole (1m 32s):
I have never found a mitochondrial DNA match with a common ancestor before. It’s always just been trees that don’t really, you know, match up and I just assumed the matches are back so far that we haven’t got the genealogy far enough to figure it out. So it was really exciting and now I kind of have an idea of what I want to work on in the next DNA study group.

Diana (1m 56s):
Oh, that’s wonderful. Yes. That is really exciting. That’s amazing. I haven’t seen any mitochondrial matches either in any of the kits that I work with. So…

Nicole (2m 6s):
There’s matches but we just can’t find out how they’re related and

Diana (2m 10s):
Right.

Nicole (2m 11s):
And usually, you know, in in DNA courses we learn or teach that you don’t usually fish for matches in the mitochondrial DNA testing pool. You, you target test people to see if they match or not. So it just thought it was interesting to find one.

Diana (2m 29s):
Exactly. Well it gives you hope for the future maybe as more people test and get their research done and their trees out there, we’ll have more success with mitochondrial and YDNA as well. ’cause we often have the same challenge with YDNA with a lot of matches, but the trees don’t seem to go back to the same common ancestor

Nicole (2m 49s):
Right. Yes. What have you been working on?

Diana (2m 51s):
Well, I’ve been getting my research ready for the practicum, for the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy’s fall session. I am presenting a case in Angela McKee’s course and it’s an advanced practicum where five of us are, who are presenters are giving the students the research question and some clues about what to research for the next week. And then they go off and spend 10 to 15 hours trying to solve the case and then we come back and give the answer and see how, see how everyone did. So this has been fun. The trick has been putting together the background information.

Diana (3m 33s):
How much do I wanna give them up front? What kind of clues do I want to give them? Because obviously if it’s a tough case, I’ve been working it for years, you’ve gotta give people enough that they can find something in 10 to 15 hours, but I don’t wanna give ’em too much. So anyway, it’s been kind of tricky thinking about how to to work that all out. So I think I’ve got it done. I might tweak it a little bit more, but I’m excited to share my research with this group.

Nicole (4m 0s):
Good job. That sounds like a, a large project that you’ve been doing getting that together.

Diana (4m 6s):
Yeah, and in the process of that I’ve actually made some more discoveries because you know, I don’t think we’re ever quite finished with our research even though we think we might be, we have one more little question and we go find something else. And so that’s why we love what we do ’cause it’s just always such an adventure.

Nicole (4m 22s):
It is an adventure. Alright, well our next webinar in the Research Like a Pro Webinar Series is going to be my class that I’m teaching about Migration and Motherhood: DNA Confirms Sally (Keaton) Reeves’ Family and Western Path. And I’ve been working hard on this, finishing this report up all, all of the last month. And it’s been really neat to connect up these family lines that are children of Sally. And when I started researching her for the 14 day Research Like a Pro challenge, I didn’t realize how much I would find and all the DNA connections and all of the children that she had that were kind of the connections were lost in burned counties and just indirect evidence.

Nicole (5m 11s):
So I’m excited to share that. And so that will be taking place on September 20th at 11:00 AM Mountain Time, which is a Saturday and if you haven’t registered yet for our 2025 webinar series, you can still do that and have access to all the previous ones for the year. Also our next study group is Research Like a Pro with DNA in February of 2026. So be thinking if you’d like to join us then, and registration will begin in December. We are excited to be going virtually to the Texas State Genealogical Conference on November 7th and 8th. And I’m presenting two classes, one about Cotton Farming Through Generations: Using Tax Records to Track Economic Status, and AI in Genealogy Enhancing Your Research Process.

Nicole (5m 55s):
And Diana is talking about Small Bites, Big Impact: Crafting Focused Narratives to Eliminate Ancestral Lives as well as a lecture titled From the Embers: Uncovering Female Ancestry Through Cluster Research and DNA when Records Perish. So we’ll, we’ll be talking about some of our own examples in those. And as always join our newsletter every Monday to, join our newsletter that comes out every Monday to get updates on new content from us.

Diana (6m 28s):
Alright, thanks Nicole. Yes, we are excited for the Texas conference. That’s always a fun conference and I’m excited for your webinar to see how you found all the great information on our lines. So thank you for researching our lines ’cause that’s one that I don’t have to worry about. It’s so nice.

Nicole (6m 45s):
Yay.

Diana (6m 45s):
I love it.

Nicole (6m 47s):
Teamwork.

Diana (6m 47s):
Right. Well, we are excited today to have a guest speaker who is going to tell us all about a really neat new product that he’s got. This is Robert Stevens and let me read his bio and then we’ll meet Robert. So Robert has a bachelor’s degree in music and master’s studies in law at Pepperdine, his professional background is in securities and venture capital, but he started genealogical researching in 2010 when his wife Jodi suffered a massive aneurysm and was not expected to survive. Her life expectancy was less than a year. Jodi made him promise to get her into the Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR, to leave her daughters the legacy of their ancestors.

Diana (7m 29s):
Jodi did indeed join the DAR and has proven 27 supplementals. Robert and his wife are members of 41 and 44 different hereditary societies respectively, including the Society of the Cincinnati and a gaggle of royal lineage societies. Well welcome Robert. So fun to have you here.

Robert Stevens (7m 49s):
Well, thank you ladies for having me. I am a longtime listener and longtime client. It’s very exciting today to be in the hot seat with the dynamic duo of you two.

Diana (8m 0s):
Well I had no idea about your wife Jodi, so I am so glad she survived. Holy cow. That’s a scary thing that you had to go through.

Robert Stevens (8m 9s):
It absolutely was, and it was really the impetus for us getting involved in genealogy. She, when I was dating her, I asked her, you know, tell me something interesting about yourself. She said, well her maiden name is Prather. She says, I, I’ve always been told I descend from a Thomas Prather who was a private in the Revolutionary War. And at the time I thought that was probably the coolest thing I’d ever heard. I thought it was amazing. And I said at the time I said, I don’t have anything like that in my tree, but I think it’s great that you do. But that’s how, you know, that was the original start of it. But when she got very sick, you know, the thought was what are, what are we gonna leave for the girls from her?

Robert Stevens (8m 52s):
And that’s what got us started on genealogy research and yeah, as you know, when you, when you open Pandora’s box, you find a lot, a lot of things more some, some of them much more interesting than what you were looking for.

Diana (9m 6s):
That’s exactly right. Well that is really neat. I love hearing, you know, your reason why because I’ve not myself joined any societies, even though I believe we could really have a lot of those in our background. But I just haven’t taken the time to do that. So I applaud you. That’s a really neat accomplishment for both you and Jodi.

Nicole (9m 28s):
I have a question before we go on about the supplementals. Can you tell our listeners what that means to have proven 27 supplementals with DAR?

Robert Stevens (9m 38s):
You bet. So when you join either the Sons of the American Revolution or the Daughters of the American Revolution, you prove a connection to somebody that provided service to the cause of the revolution. That could be a soldier that fought, somebody, you know of notoriety, it could be somebody that paid a tax, or somebody that served on a committee or a jury, something like that, that qualifies as patriotic service. A supplemental is when you find you have more than one of those in your tree. So if you say you join under one person and then realize, you know, he had a father but and his father also paid taxes, that’s the second person that you would be documenting is called the supplemental.

Nicole (10m 21s):
Oh, Thank you so much. That has really helped me understand that term and hopefully our listeners too. Well we aren’t really talking about lineage societies today, so let’s go on to our next topic, which is this awesome new business that you guys have created. So tell us what is Heirloom Cartography?

Robert Stevens (10m 43s):
We are a family run business and we create customized lineage charts for lineage groups and individual people. It could be everything from a very simple linear descent from a person or a couple to, to a two dimensional chart like a, looks like an upside down pyramid that expands through multiple ancestors. Maybe somebody wants to outline their May, Mayflower ancestry or we did one that was a, that was a kind of this big spread of how many people served in the Revolution on both sides of the family of this individual. And that’s, that’s what the product is.

Nicole (11m 21s):
That’s neat. That’s really fun. And it sounds like it’s different than other charts out there, you know, it’s kind of got this focus on lineage and linear descent rather than like just big pedigree charts. Is that right?

Robert Stevens (11m 36s):
Absolutely. They’re all done individually based on what the client’s need is. It isn’t something that we just click print and send off to somebody. We spend many, many hours on design and development for what it’s gonna look like because of the the, and our website is HeirloomCharts.com, you can see some of the projects that we’ve worked on, and I it’s really meant to be a family heirloom that you can keep through the generations. So we, we customize them based on what each client really wants to do.

Nicole (12m 11s):
Yeah, I’m looking at some of the examples you have and they are beautiful. This one with the royalty and nobility that has some of the coats of arms on It is just stunning.

Robert Stevens (12m 22s):
And in that case it’s a, a client that has seven different gateway ancestors and really wanted to highlight how all of those different people, some in the New England, some in in Virginia, all kind of all over the place, how they all tie back to Charlemagne and connect at various levels through the various kings. So that that one, you can go crazy with it. So we had to kind of, kind of shave it down in terms of how many coats of arms are we gonna display, how deep will it go? Because our theoretical maximum chart size is 60 inches by 96 inches. But that’s, that’s, you know, that’s just so large. I’m not sure what you, where you would put it, it’d be difficult to hang on the wall.

Robert Stevens (13m 7s):
So anyway, but yeah, they’re all, they’re all based on what somebody wants to portray.

Diana (13m 11s):
Well that’s really neat And I can see how this has completely grown out of your love for lineage societies and you know, having that legacy. So now you’re just putting it into a lovely print form. So that’s so neat.

Robert Stevens (13m 24s):
It it, it ends up becoming a visual representation of the genealogical research and work that you’ve done in documenting your family history.

Diana (13m 34s):
Right.

Robert Stevens (13m 34s):
You know, it could be everything from an individual person. We have one, one gal with the Colorado Mayflower Society that has, I think the number is 26 passengers. That will will be just a really groovy setup once it’s all done. ’cause you can kind of see how many of the 50, yeah, I think there’s 51 people there and she descends from half of them how it all kind of lays together and

Diana (13m 58s):
Oh my goodness.

Robert Stevens (13m 59s):
Yeah. And in that end we’ve also got a limited edition. We know the artist drawing of the Mayflower that we we’ll either use on the chart or we can sell those individually too and they’re kind of, kind of impressive as well.

Diana (14m 14s):
Hmm. Absolutely. Well how do you create these charts?

Robert Stevens (14m 18s):
So they’re all made individually based on the client’s needs. They’re not kicked out of a, of a program as much as I personally love AI and the potential that it brings for automating things, for researching, every project takes many hours of painstaking review and design. So Abby, our designer and my daughter, has a degree in design and Jodi and I, my wife, we do the research and review for accuracy’s sake. We wanna be very careful to only document lines that will really work under current genealogical standards. And at the end of it all we use extremely high quality materials and framing so that it’s something that will last.

Diana (15m 1s):
That’s wonderful. I love that you guys are committed to standards.

Robert Stevens (15m 5s):
It’s, it’s very challenging and we really, you know, we, we don’t want to put something up on somebody’s wall that a few years from now someone goes up and goes, yeah, you know, that line doesn’t work anymore. Don’t, that is not, you know, we wanna avoid that at all cause as much as possible. ’cause there’s always new things that are being brought to bear all the time.

Diana (15m 26s):
Absolutely, absolutely. Well, and I’ve had clients that thought they were related to a Mayflower ancestor through a certain line and you know, we do the research and that line is not proven and then we have to go find one that actually can be true. It’s just really tricky on some of these lines. Once the migration begins out west, we seem to lose connection, you know, in Ohio or wherever they moved after they were in New England, especially for Mayflower. And then that’s tricky to prove that connecting link, you know, with records

Robert Stevens (15m 58s):
Absolutely.

Diana (15m 59s):
that Mayflower will accept because they’re, they’re pretty strict with who gets in there. So,

Robert Stevens (16m 3s):
And shameless plug for your work, one of the individuals that I know, we hired your firm to help us put together a, a proof argument with data that we could present to the Mayflower Society and say this is, this is the right Richmond and here is why. And then that individual was able to get into the Mayflower Society and it, it did take I think two and a half years of review.

Diana (16m 29s):
Oh yeah.

Robert Stevens (16m 29s):
But Thank you for that.

Diana (16m 31s):
Yeah, yeah. Well that is what we do. We do the research and, and often you do have to write those proof arguments because there is no document that states, you know, the parentage and you have to show through all the indirect evidence that this is the only way these people could have connected. So yeah, I appreciate you reminding me of that. That’s so neat. Well, and I was just going to say, you know, this idea of having these huge charts and where do you put them on your wall? I’ve actually seen homes where an entire wall is a chart. So an enormous chart taking up a whole big space. So you may have to expand if you get someone that wants to have something like that.

Robert Stevens (17m 9s):
I think it would be nothing but fun and we can do it. I always tell people that it’s not even so much a cost or a shipping thing, it’s just that it’s a, it’s a real commitment if we’re gonna put, you know, three or 400 names on your tree.

Diana (17m 26s):
Absolutely.

Nicole (17m 26s):
Well, all this talk about making sure it’s accurate, tell us more about where you get the information to kind of check and create the charts to make sure they are true.

Robert Stevens (17m 37s):
So typically we like to start with record copies. Record copies, that’s a kind of a industry term for genealogically approved applications. So an example would be if we’re doing a Mayflower chart, I would ask them for a copy of their approved application with the General Society of Mayflower Descendants and, and start with that so that I have a comfort factor that the data that we’re going off of has been reviewed by somebody and it’s accurate and it’s correct. And even with that we’ll go through and make sure that the spellings are correct, that there’s, is it Katherine with a K or a C, or does it matter, things along those lines. In certain other situations we will do the research ourself.

Robert Stevens (18m 20s):
’cause my wife and I have some, some background there. But as you guys know, the researchers tend to have their own areas of expertise, be it geographic or time period. And we, in those instances we do hire out professional research firms to put together the data that we have to make sure that the line that we’re looking at is it has gen genealogical integrity. I think that’s super important.

Nicole (18m 47s):
I love that. And it’s funny you mentioned Catherine Ver with a K versus a C because I was just looking at my ancestor who sometimes it was Katie with a K, other times it was Catherine with a C and so we can’t really decide which way it was and it probably didn’t have a set way.

Robert Stevens (19m 4s):
That’s the message. We were doing one in fact we’re, we just finished it last week, but there were conflicting primary source documents. They’re not, it’s spelled both ways in both. So you go, well which one do you wanna go with? Is it this one? Is it that one? And these are not like published genealogies. These are actual, you know, records: wedding record, wills, probate, it’s, it’s always very challenging.

Nicole (19m 29s):
Yeah. Those original sources would, if they could just have consistent spelling, that would help me a lot.

Robert Stevens (19m 35s):
Amen.

Diana (19m 36s):
Well also consistent names because I have one court record where my ancestor is called by her nickname Polly. And then she’s also going by Mary in the very same record. So she’s Mary, she’s Polly. Which is actually nice because it helps me say, yeah, this is the same woman, you know, doesn’t matter what she’s called. Mary/Polly is the same person. So yeah, we love genealogy. It’s got so many fun little things like that kind of quirks, right?

Robert Stevens (20m 2s):
Right.

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Robert Stevens (21m 16s):
That’s a great question. So a basic chart can be done for, I think our current pricing is $159. So not, not crazy money. Custom charts on the other hand can be a multiple of that. And it’s not just the time involved, but the materials and the framing. For example, if we need to bring in an outside research firm, that could be an expensive proposition because we wanna leave them with also with documents and sources for where we came up with the data. So you get your chart, but you’re gonna get a copy of what we use to generate those connections and those ties to there and materials for any kind of a custom art project, you know, it’s just the sky’s the limit. You could do them very reasonably or you can go crazy if you really want museum quality everything.

Robert Stevens (22m 2s):
So it’s kinda all over the place. But we’ve, we’ve tried to price it so it’s user friendly So that you know, any, someone can get into it for, you know, 159 bucks and have come out with a product that they love.

Diana (22m 14s):
That’s really nice because I can see this being a great Christmas gift or birthday gift or anniversary gift, you know, and maybe you don’t want to spend a ton of money, but you just want something nice that’s framed, that’s got the genealogy to put on the wall. So then I can also see the other scenarios where someone really has something very extensive and you know, we are willing to pay for things that are really important to us. So I love that you’re very custom with that.

Nicole (22m 41s):
Yeah, And I also appreciate that there are high quality materials going into this and looking at the, your website HeirloomCharts.com, I like that you guys have some closeups of the paper and fonts and the colors and the mats and things. So it just looks like really beautiful paper and materials are used.

Robert Stevens (23m 2s):
Thanks for that. We we’re really focused on the quality of the product. That’s really the, the really pivotal thing. We don’t want to just run this off a printer. And also the quality of the material will indicate how long it will last, how long it will be able to stay. And you know, if you’re picking out framing, maybe maybe somebody’s home is kind of more modern and they want a a frame that will work within their design in their home. We have so many different options there that can fit where this thing is gonna eventually be. ’cause that’s really the big question, right? Where are you gonna hang it? If you have a very rustic house, you might want a certain type of frame that’s gonna work with your design.

Robert Stevens (23m 44s):
And that’s, I really have to give my hats off to our designer at Abby and and my wife Jodi for helping do that. And they provide guidance with folks, too, in terms of choosing something that’s really gonna look amazing for them to hang on their wall in their, as I like to say, in your office or your castle.

Nicole (24m 6s):
Love that. Okay. Well tell us, are you working on anything interesting right now?

Robert Stevens (24m 11s):
So we just finished and it was, it was one of those hold your breath moments because we, we ran right up to the absolute deadline, but we completed a, a custom chart that is in production right now that’s 30 inches by 36 inches before matting and framing to give you an idea how, and it’s one of our larger ones and it outlines the lineage of a young couple that’s getting married. We got asked to do a chart that would show that the marriage of the two families. And the bride and the groom are people that are lucky enough to have really documented their line, their lineage are members of DAR, SAR, Mayflower Society.

Robert Stevens (24m 53s):
They’re also members of the Order of the Crown of Charlemagne. And it’s that type of, the chart was just kind of a matter of formatting, you know, how we’re gonna lay it out so that it’s even and then verifying coats of arms for notable folks that are on their trees. The groom’s side, however it looks like nobody has done, had done the work. But thanks to the Family Search World Tree, kind of as a starter, and also use of the Full Text Search there on Family Search, we were able to prove his lineage to the Randolph family of Virginia, which brings this chart both bride and groom back to Edward III, King of England and Philippa of Hainault, his Queen Consort.

Robert Stevens (25m 33s):
You know, if I say it’s so, it, it just looks, it’s just a staggering chart. It’s just beautiful. Wow. We’re also in the final stages of publishing our first children’s book, which is a kid’s book with a genealogical twist to it.

Nicole (25m 49s):
I love that. That’s cool.

Diana (25m 51s):
Well I love that idea of doing this for a bride and groom showing their lineages going back. That’s such a neat idea And I hope you’ll have an example of that on your website when that’s completed. I’d love to see what that looked like. Sounds so neat.

Robert Stevens (26m 7s):
We absolutely will.

Diana (26m 7s):
Good.

Robert Stevens (26m 7s):
And and the fun part about this business is that it’s no days the same. No project is the same. People will say, I want to come up with this, this specific type of chart and they can all be completely different. And this was a kind of an interesting concept if you think husband and wife to be, they’re getting married and you know, who are their people. And in that instance you’ve, we’ve got a good cross-section. The the bride has a lot of New England and the groom has just all of this Chesapeake Bay settlers all the, the early Virginia and, and this sort of thing. It’s very, it’s been very fun and

Diana (26m 46s):
That’s really neat.

Robert Stevens (26m 47s):
Cool to present. It’s, you know, kind of a truly American kind of a chart.

Diana (26m 51s):
Yeah, that’s really neat. I love that. Well now my curiosity is piqued. Tell us about your children’s book that’s coming up.

Robert Stevens (26m 59s):
So our book is called, William the Marshall, the Greatest Knight that Ever Lived. Think of it like a bedtime story for kids toddler age to maybe six years old. And it outlines the rather extraordinary life of William the Marshall, who is the person that’s credited with chivalry, among other things, and was kind of thought of as the Greatest Knight that Ever Lived. And it’s a picture book with some great artistry and illustrations, but at the end of it, it is allows the parent or grandparent or the gift giver to, if they have any of the 280 or so published gateway ancestors that can draw a connection in the back of the book from William the Marshall, the greatest knight back right down to the kid that’s reading the book.

Robert Stevens (27m 50s):
So it allows them to say, Hey, this was an amazing Knight hundreds of years ago and he’s actually your grandpa. So we, we’ve targeted this book towards selling it to members of the lineage societies, just as kind of a fun way for them hopefully to get their kids hooked on their ancestry, their from a very young age.

Diana (28m 11s):
Oh my goodness, I love that. I love the idea that in the back of the book the parents could fill it in and the book does show the gateway ancestors at the end?

Robert Stevens (28m 22s):
Yeah, we have a link to it. Okay. There’s, there’s just a bit That’s a pretty expansive list.

Diana (28m 28s):
Yeah, I would say so.

Robert Stevens (28m 29s):
And, and I’m afraid to put it down in writing.

Diana (28m 31s):
Yeah.

Robert Stevens (28m 31s):
A list because also gateway ancestors come and go. One of my favorite things are BGAs, which are bogus gateway ancestors, where people say, oh, I descend through Thomas Bradberry. And then you go, you know, that doesn’t work anymore. Right. And here’s why. You know, so you, you don’t wanna, I don’t wanna put, put that stuff down and then have somebody come back later and say, it’s easier for me just to point them to the source, the current sources and say, check here.

Diana (28m 59s):
Yes. That’s brilliant.

Nicole (29m 0s):
Well I just put his name in Family Search, found him and clicked on view my relationship and it says he’s my 21st great-grandfather.

Robert Stevens (29m 7s):
Well then, there you go. You need,

Nicole (29m 9s):
Well I need to get the book

Robert Stevens (29m 11s):
Three children. I’ll send you one, I’ll send you one.

Diana (29m 14s):
Is that through, is that through mine line or your dad’s line?

Nicole (29m 17s):
Let me scroll down 21 Ancestors and, oh, it’s through the Elder line. So it goes through dad and then his dad and his father. His father goes back on the Elder line all the way till Charles Elder then goes through his mother, Margaret Hill. So I have proven this back to about Margaret, I need to check the research going back and then it goes to Simon Nichols who looks like he’s a Patriot. So maybe I could join DAR and then goes back really far to the 1100s.

Diana (29m 45s):
That is so cool. Well that might be a fun Christmas present for grandkids.

Nicole (29m 49s):
Yeah, all the grandkids in our family. That would be fun. We should do that Mom.

Robert Stevens (29m 53s):
And we’re working on, after that one that this is a, you know, a a about a knight, right, we’re working on another one that is Philippa of Hainault, which is Edward III’s wife. And it’s, it’s more get kind of written for from a girl’s perspective because she was a great queen and she did some amazing, the historical figure, she brought the textile industry to England. That was one of the things she did among other, she had a really interesting life. So a boy version and a girl version.

Diana (30m 24s):
I love that. Thank you for thinking of the girls.

Robert Stevens (30m 29s):
Absolutely.

Nicole (30m 29s):
Yay. And what I love about these books is that they are not figures that most people know much about. At least I don’t. And so it’s fun to hear about different historical figures and learn about them.

Robert Stevens (30m 41s):
Amen to that.

Nicole (30m 42s):
So that’s awesome. And yeah, I need to get these for my kids. So thanks for writing books. My kids might like that. I wanna read to them, they always want me to read Spider-Man but

Robert Stevens (30m 55s):
If I would’ve had this book as a little boy, I would’ve been sleeping with a, a plastic sword And I would’ve been wearing a knight hat everywhere I went. And you never know, I would’ve been, you know, chain mail something. It would’ve been, it would’ve made a big difference.

Nicole (31m 12s):
Yes. Okay, well where can people go to learn more or order one of these?

Robert Stevens (31m 18s):
Head to our website, which is HeirloomCharts, that’s H-E-I-R-L-O-O-M charts.com and checkout the services section and the shop section. There’s some images on there of some of the projects that we’ve done. For privacy purposes of course we don’t put everybody’s charts up there, but it can give you kind of an idea of all of the various things that we’ve done. And the whole process is, is approximately four to six weeks for delivery depending upon what, what we’re working on and then what they’re asking us to do.

Nicole (31m 55s):
Fantastic.

Diana (31m 55s):
Well thanks so much Robert for meeting with us, letting us talk all about this fun new company that you’ve got going. And I just have to say I love that it’s a family business and that you’re working with your daughter because I absolutely love working with my daughter. It’s so fun. Yay.

Robert Stevens (32m 12s):
Wonderful.

Diana (32m 12s):
So that’s just so neat And I think this is really a unique chart company. I am just really intrigued by it. And I think you mentioned that you guys were going to be at Roots Tech next year, is that right?

Robert Stevens (32m 24s):
That is our plan. We’d like to get a booth there. We, it’s been on the list, during COVID, we actually, the year of that when, when everything was virtual we had kind of shelved a, a chance to go there, not so much as, as an exhibitor, but as just as a guest. But yes, we intend to go to RootsTech and set up a little booth. So we’ll hope to see you all there.

Diana (32m 47s):
Oh yeah, we will be there. So that would be so fun to meet in person and to see some examples of what you’re doing. So I would love that. Well thanks to everyone for listening and a special thanks to Robert Stevens for being here with us and we hope that everybody can go checkout the website, the HeirloomCharts.com and see if maybe you’re interested in one of these neat charts or joining a Lineage Society. So many fun things we talked about today. So take care everyone and we’ll talk to you next time.

Nicole (33m 21s):
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