Today’s episode of Research Like a Pro is an interview with Michelle Dickens, CG, a member of the Research Like a Pro Facebook group, who recently completed her application for certification through the Board for Certification of Genealogists. Michelle shares how she prepared for certification through studying textbooks, the RLP podcast and books, and working on her work samples. Join us for a fun talk with Michelle.
Transcript
Nicole (1s):
This is Research Like a Pro episode 262 Michelle Dickens Certification Journey. Welcome to Research Like, a Pro a genealogy podcast about taking your research to the next level. Hosted by Nicole Dyer and Diana Elder accredited Genealogist professional Diana and Nicole are the mother daughter team at FamilyLocket dot com and the authors of Research Like, a Pro A Genealogist Guide with Robin Wirthlin. They also co-authored the Companion Volume Research Like a Pro with dna, Join, Diana, and Nicole as they discuss how to stay organized, make progress in their research, and solve difficult cases. Let’s go.
Nicole (41s):
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Diana (53s):
Hi. Nicole. how are you today?
Nicole (55s):
Doing? well, how are you? What’s been going on?
Diana (59s):
Well, I’ve been reviewing a bunch of client reports that our researchers have turned in, and one today was so interesting. This client is doing a trip to Prague in the Czech Republic this summer and knew she had Ancestors there and wanted to find some ancestral locations and so we were able to further her ancestry and get a lot of locations for her And. it involved different languages, different actual country names, you know, because the borders changed so often there, and this was in the 18 hundreds and so it was really fun to learn a little bit more about researching in that area of the world, Austria Hungary, Czechoslovakia Czech Republic, and know so many different names for that specific area.
Diana (1m 45s):
So that was fun.
Nicole (1m 46s):
Were a lot of the records online? Yes,
Diana (1m 48s):
So my researcher didn’t have to work with anybody on site because often we do that if they’re not online, but they are really working to get a lot of these records online now, and we were able to literally pinpoint specific houses that are still standing that the client can go visit and churches and so that’s gonna be really neat.
Nicole (2m 9s):
Yay. How wonderful.
Diana (2m 11s):
Well, for our announcements today, we have our Airtable quick reference guide available on the website FamilyLocket dot com, and for our Research Like, a Pro Webinar series for 2023. The next Webinar will be on July 22nd, and this will be done by Alice Childs, who’s an accredited Genealogist. She’s one of our researchers and the title is Who Were the Parents of David r Matheson, A DNA case study. So this is a fascinating study. This was another one of our clients And. it takes place in Nova Scotia and as is typical with the era, the ancestor didn’t leave any clues about who were his parents, just this clue of Nova Scotia.
Diana (2m 54s):
And so Alice used DNA as well as the documents to eliminate all candidates but one. And so that’s gonna be a fun Webinar. Our next research Psycho Pro study group begins August 30th and meets weekly for 11 weeks. Registration does end on August 10th, so if you’ve been thinking about it, please sign up. And our peer group leader application is on our website. If you’d like to help lead a small group and provide feedback to them. And you receive complimentary registration and then join our newsletter for our coupons.
Nicole (3m 26s):
Today we’re excited to have a guest, Michelle Dickens. She’s a member of our Research Like, a Pro Facebook group, and recently announced in our group that she had received her Certification credential from the board for Certification of Genealogists So I was excited to see that because as many of you know, I’m working on my own portfolio for Certification. And so Michelle’s here to tell us about her. Certification Journey welcome Michelle
2 (3m 51s):
Thank. you glad to be here.
Nicole (3m 53s):
Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background?
2 (3m 57s):
Yeah, so back in about 1998, I was really into scrapbooking and I decided to transfer my grandmother’s old pictures out of the magnetic album, the Bad Ones, into a scrapbook for a Christmas gift. And what I figured out really quickly is that I might know some of the people who were in the pictures, but I didn’t have enough information to even complete the scrapbook. So that started my obsession with family history and trying to figure out who all these people were. So I had a cousin who’d done a little basic research, but nothing with any sources on it. Much of our family had been undocumented and until I started, so I’m continuing to research and I ventured into D N A as well. I do this as a hobby. I’m not a a Genealogical professional in my real life.
2 (4m 38s):
I’m a nurse practitioner. I work as a field scientific expert for a pharmaceutical company. I live in Missouri in the same town I grew up in. And between my husband and I, we have four adult children and I have one grandchild and none of them have the slightest interest in Genealogy.
Nicole (4m 54s):
Oh no. Well that’s wonderful that you were able to get started by working on the album and transferring it to a scrapbook and hopefully those things that you are creating and leaving behind they will come to appreciate over time. I
2 (5m 8s):
Hope so.
Nicole (5m 10s):
That’s so neat that you’re in real life, a nurse practitioner, but that you took the time to create your Genealogy skills to the level of a credentialed Genealogist. So that’s so neat that you decided to do that. So how did you decide to go for Certification and submit a portfolio?
2 (5m 29s):
I had heard about Certification through the Legacy family tree webinars and also on your podcast from your journey. I hold several certifications in my job in the medical field. So Certification has always made sense to me to validate your skill skillset. So I’ve, I’ve been researching now for over 25 years and trying to grow my skills. So once I started learning more about the process of Certification, I thought I had a pretty good chance of being successful.
Nicole (5m 54s):
That’s interesting that you say once you started learning about it, you’re like, oh yeah, I can do that. I remember the feeling that I had when I felt like I was ready to go for Certification. And before that, when I had first started researching and like thinking about doing research at a more advanced level, I looked at the requirements and they didn’t even make sense to me. And I was like, maybe someday, but don don’t think I’m ready yet. And then years later I realized, okay, I think I can do that now. So it’s interesting how that realization comes on.
Diana (6m 27s):
Well, I love that you had several certifications in your medical field and I wonder, you know, that maybe took some of the scariness out of it because you were used to doing something like this. I I would imagine that would’ve helped a bit,
2 (6m 41s):
Maybe a little bit, but this was really scary for me for some
Diana (6m 44s):
Reason
2 (6m 45s):
Because I, I wasn’t sure if I was ready, you know, like I, you don’t know till you try, right? I mean, you know, there’s at some point you have to just do it and and let the chips fall where they may So I just went for it.
Diana (6m 56s):
I love that. Well, as an accredited Genealogist, I’m just always so curious about why people choose one over the other. So did you consider Accreditation as well? And if yes, how did you choose between the two?
2 (7m 10s):
I did look into both routes and I appreciated your talking about on the podcast your journey with Accreditation, but I felt like Accreditation was probably more appropriate for someone who wanted to be a, a Genealogy professional who wanted to do research work for a client to really prove that you have in-depth knowledge of a particular region. Since I’m just researching for myself, I felt like the bcgcertification just fit more with my goals. I wanted to validate and push my research skills and my writing skills for my own research. And my family is not, they’re in a lot in the south, but not in one particular area. So I decided to be more of a broad Certification than an in depth in one area.
Diana (7m 51s):
I think it’s really interesting thinking about that choice between Accreditation and Certification And. it makes perfect sense that you just wanted to do this for yourself. You weren’t going to do client work and that really is a thing that Accreditation is such a good Preparation for client work. So I think that’s a great path for you.
Nicole (8m 12s):
You know, that’s interesting about not having a specific region that fit exactly with what you wanted to do. That’s kind of how I felt as well. I had originally started on Accreditation and then the region split and so half of the states I had experience in were one in one region and the other half were in another. And at that point I considered maybe I should do Certification and So I think that is a really valid thing to think about when you’re considering both is you know, do you have experience all in one place or do you have different states or different countries and regions that aren’t necessarily all grouped together? All, right. Well Michelle tell us what educational opportunities did you take advantage of to prepare for submitting your portfolio?
2 (8m 56s):
I actually gave a lot of credit to your books and Podcasts when I had to describe my learning opportunities for the portfolio. So there you go. You guys are, you guys were critical in my, in my Certification, I’ve always been really process and organization driven, So I like to look at a particular process and see how I can approve upon it. So looking at new research methods is always fun for me and I think that’s one reason I’m really drawn to your podcast is because you’re tr you’re teaching strategies that you can apply to lots of different situations. I also love the Legacy family tree webinars and YouTube videos, So I, like listening to someone talk. I love Elizabeth Schone Mills on the Legacy family tree.
2 (9m 36s):
She is so wonderful about giving you techniques that you can apply to lots of different situations and just reading Genealogy reference books. I’ve participated in Roots Tech for the past few years since it went virtual. I haven’t done any type of formal training program or institute, but I hope to attend one someday. Just hasn’t worked out with my work schedule really till now. I did think about doing the pro gen study group and I thought about joining in the end I just kind of decided to try it on my own and to go for it.
Nicole (10m 5s):
Wow, that’s so neat. I think you’re kind of unique because a lot of people who don’t have formal training, they don’t pass according to the BCG statistics and so
2 (10m 17s):
They told me that as well.
Nicole (10m 19s):
Congratulations
2 (10m 20s):
In the email or letter some, somebody from there said, we don’t usually have anyone pass that Didn’t intend at least some sort of institute or something.
Nicole (10m 28s):
Yeah, I think what I learned from attending an institute is that there’s a lot of things don don’t know And. it gave me like a path of what I needed to study, but I like that you were able to figure out what you needed to study through watching webinars on Legacy and just reading Genealogy reference books, which I think is very similar to what you did Mom.
Diana (10m 47s):
I was just gonna say that is exactly what I did. I just read books, watched webinars. I had never done an institute either and basically just did my own education And, it worked out great. I think it really depends on your personality and you know how you like to learn and for me I’ll just like to dig in and do it on my own. But now I’d love institutes so you know, at the time I just didn’t know that much about them. I think. Well let’s talk about some of your challenges because both these processes have challenges. I
2 (11m 21s):
Really didn’t have strong skills and abstracting documents before I started this journey. So I did an online course, I think it was from NGS and really started practicing. I could do pretty well reading the handwriting in old documents, so the transcription part of it wasn’t that hard, but doing abstracting was kind of a new concept for me. I’m also not very patient and So I had to wait six months to hear whether or not I passed. So that was part of the hard part, but it was worth it.
Diana (11m 51s):
Yeah, I’m sure that after a while you weren’t always looking in your email inbox for an answer, but when six months came up you were probably checking every day to see if you were ever gonna hear. You just wanna know. Well I think that’s interesting that abstracting was a challenge because that really is something we are not taught a lot to do unless we’re doing client work or we’re doing something like Certification. You know, that’s not part of the building a family tree usually when you’re just attaching hints and doing some research, you know, like clicking around on things So I can see how that was definitely something that you had to really tackle and make sure you had it down. So that’s great that you were able to do the NGS course and learn about that.
Nicole (12m 31s):
I also did that course and someone in my accountability group had mentioned it as an option for strengthening skills and transcriptions and abstracts and I felt pretty confident, but I had only done a few abstracts, like you said Michelle, it’s just not something that you do that often and So I kind of wanted a little more practice with that and I thought the NGS course was really in depth and gave a lot of chance for practice, so that was neat. Side question, Michelle, how long did you spend on your portfolio?
2 (13m 2s):
So part of it were things that I had written up previously, like just for my own self that I had worked on and So I incorporated part of a big project that I had done into my kinship project. And so a lot of it was sort of already done, so probably about five or six months from the time that I said, oh I think I wanna do this till I submitted it. Nice.
Nicole (13m 26s):
So that would be hard to wait another six months. You’re like, I already, I could’ve finished this again in six months. That’s great. Well now that it’s over And you were successful, what are the benefits that you feel you’ve gained from the process? I
2 (13m 40s):
Feel like I have a much clearer picture of the types of reports that they wanted. They asked for a research report, a case study or problem solving and then the kinship project. In reality in the past I’ve probably written reports that were a conglomeration of those three types of reports because I was only writing for myself. And so now I kind of understand the purpose of each style and I feel like that the quality of my report writing has gone up. My R writing skills were probably some of my strongest skills just from my previous work and I’ve always just been a good writer. So that part of it was not as hard as the research skills. I think for me.
Nicole (14m 17s):
That’s wonderful. I feel like the different writing styles and different writing projects is something that I’ve had to really study as well. Having first started my training with my mom and writing reports for clients and that was kind of my first type of Genealogy writing. So it has been interesting to study the differences between the case study and the kinship determination versus a client project.
Diana (14m 40s):
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Diana (15m 21s):
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2 (15m 55s):
One of them was what they call document work. So they supplied a historical document and then you had to do several things with it. You had to transcribe it and abstract it and then you had to take it and develop a a research plan. So I thought I would not enjoy that at all, but I actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It’s, you know, you’re taking a document for a family that I have no knowledge about and then I’m trying to put together a research plan. So that’s really new for me since I don’t do client work, I have a lot of respect for those of you who do because that was, I think that was hard for me to try to wrap my brain about what, what I know and what I don’t know from this one document and where to go next. So, but I, I actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
Diana (16m 37s):
I think creating a research plan from a document is really a fascinating exercise and we do something like that with Accreditation as well. And I remember when I first started doing a client work, I really didn’t know if I’d enjoy, you know, working on somebody else’s family history. And. it was when I was helping my neighbor that I realized this is really fun. I love the research, it doesn’t have to be my own family, you know, and So I think that that was a fun revelation for me. And, it sounds like you kind of discovered that too, that, you know, it’s just our researcher brain. We like taking this little challenge and then figuring out what we would do to find out more. So that’s really interesting that you enjoyed the document work.
Nicole (17m 18s):
So the document work was new and challenging, but how did you feel about the K D P?
2 (17m 26s):
That kinship project was, was definitely challenging first for me to find four generations where I really had adequate level of proof to tie together. Every generation, I mean, most of my family is from the south and so, you know, the, the records are sometimes challenging and they’re always, when I would look at four generations, I would always find one generation where I just felt like it wasn’t quite as strong. Then finding some way to tie it all together a, a background story or a thread to, to make the report more than just a dry rendition of generations. So I had discovered that my third great grandfather murdered his neighbor in the 1850s in Middle Tennessee and I am just fascinated by that story.
2 (18m 9s):
So not only just what happened to him, which apparently he went to the state penitentiary but then got paroled or reprieve or whatever along with everyone else in the entire prison by the governor. So like five years later. Oh. So, but it was really interesting to see how the extended family reacted because the family of the neighbor, they were all intermarried. There’s four or five families that were all intermarried and interlinked and here one person kills somebody from the, the same group. So it was really interesting to see how they reacted to the tragedy and, and that they still stayed as a pretty good unit throughout a couple more generations.
2 (18m 49s):
Even with this tragedy between their members. So I tried to take that story and kind of do a, a concept of how family ties work and and taking that down through the four generations. But that was a bit of a challenge.
Nicole (19m 1s):
I love that concept that the family was affected by that over time because of how they were interconnected. And, you see that so much with these southern groups of relatives, how they just families marry into the same families and they kind of stick together for generations.
Diana (19m 19s):
Yes, that is so interesting and kudos to you for taking a murder story and then turning that into a positive with the family sticking together. But you know, really that is what we do as we kind of have that responsibility as family historians to take a look at the past, look at the mistakes that our Ancestors made, we all make mistakes they did too. And then find a lesson that we can learn from that and share that. I think that’s so neat. Well that was the kinship determination project. What about the research report?
2 (19m 55s):
So the research report I actually did research on, I have a friend who’s a beginning Genealogist and she allowed me to do the research report on her family. So that again was new to, to research a family that I knew very little about. I found that it was really tricky to get all the sources labeled and attached in a readable format because that’s not something I normally do. I have my sources and all of my documentation within my family tree program, so I’ve never had to export it out for someone else along with all the images and the citations. So, so that was challenging, but I definitely have a, a newfound respect for people who do that for every day for their clients because it’s not something I wanna do.
Diana (20m 37s):
Yeah, well the interesting thing is once you get used to it, then it becomes just second nature and you’d get a process for that and you’d be great. So it really is all about, you know, just learning, learning the process and doing it. But I agree I had that same challenge with Accreditation that I had so many things that I never did. I didn’t do the formal research Log to turn in and didn’t do the documents and label them for myself. So I think that’s one of the great things for getting a credential is that makes you step outside your comfort zone and do something that’s hard and different and that you learn from.
Nicole (21m 14s):
For sure. I love that. Well, Michelle, what are your plans going forward? Do you want to publish, teach, do client work, just keep doing your own work?
2 (21m 25s):
For right now I just plan to use these skills to try to do high quality research for my own family. I would like to do some volunteer work someday within BCG. I do love teaching and I do a lot of it in my work, so maybe someday I could teach Genealogy skills as well.
Nicole (21m 39s):
That’s fantastic.
Diana (21m 41s):
Yeah, maybe you could do a Webinar. You know, I think that those are really fun. Those case studies where you share your research and how you solve something, those are some of my favorite things to prepare and present. So that might be something fun you could do well. What advice do you have for anyone who is seeking Certification with ct?
2 (22m 3s):
I feel like my biggest piece of advice would be to really study the rubric. They tell you exactly what they’re looking for and then go and read multiple examples of those different types of reports. They give you access to some portfolios to be able to read examples of people’s work. I feel like once that light bulb went off and I I on and I went, oh, this is exactly what they want for each type of that report, then I was doing a better job. So there was definitely more focused and the process is humbling. So you have to be prepared for that. The portfolio is reviewed by three different reviewers and who can’t see each other’s responses. So each one can interpret the same work in a different way. So there were some skills that I felt I demonstrated well but a reviewer didn’t agree and it’s difficult to have an asynchronous review like this.
2 (22m 50s):
There were a few items that they mentioned as deficient where I thought I had done a good job justifying why I did it the way I did and then I realized that that’s still on me, that burden. I did not explain my findings or my limitations very well. So obviously they didn’t find that I had met the the criteria. So they did identify several areas where I can improve So, I’m gonna be addressing those in my future work and hopefully continuing to learn.
Diana (23m 18s):
I love what you said that it’s humbling because when we work by ourselves in a vacuum, we think we are so good at what we do. So when we submit something for peer review and we get someone who is an expert, you know, I shouldn’t say tearing it apart, but just looking at it with a critical eye and with their background and knowledge, yeah, that can be humbling, but what a great attitude that you’re going to address those as areas where you could improve and continue learning. I think that’s one of our big takeaways from seeking Prudential is that we’re always learning and we’re always trying to improve and get better. I look back at my four generation report that I submitted And, it still holds up to be pretty good, but I have learned so much more about writing.
Diana (24m 3s):
I feel like I’m a better writer now. So, so much of it is experience.
Nicole (24m 8s):
Yeah, that’s really true. I think a lot of experience goes a long way, but at the time when you submitted your four generation report for Accreditation, you had done a lot of learning and studying and so it’s just great to see how both of you are able to take your skills to the next level through your own home study program and watching webinars, reading books, and then just working on it. I think that’s just such a good example to anyone who’s wanting to try out the process that it really just comes down to setting aside the time and going for it. And that’s been my biggest struggle with my portfolio is that I, I haven’t been able to set aside the time and just go for it.
Nicole (24m 50s):
I need to work on my work samples and I know I’ll do it eventually, but you know, having four kids at home has been a busy time. So I’m excited. I have all my work samples chosen and slowly working on them, but sometimes I feel anxious to get it done and turned in.
Diana (25m 12s):
Maybe you need a retreat to a cabin for six months, like Michelle.
Nicole (25m 16s):
She did, she did it in six
Diana (25m 18s):
Months. She was holding down a full-time job. So
Nicole (25m 22s):
I know. Right. See she’s a good example to me. Thanks Michelle. You’re welcome. Well this has been so fun talking with you about your journey to Certification and I really appreciate your advice that you’ve shared, especially about studying the Rubrics because I think that’s one of the most important things as well, that once you understand what the requirements are and how you’ll be judged, that it becomes much easier to create the work sample that the judges are looking for. So that was really good advice and and something that I can always do more of and probably a lot of you out there can do the same whether you’re doing Accreditation or Certification, if you’re working on a credential, both have guidelines and Rubrics that you can study in Accreditation.
Nicole (26m 11s):
Are there Rubrics or what do you call them?
Diana (26m 15s):
Yeah, we call them Rubrics and they’re right on the website icap Jen website, the guide for applying for an Accreditation for that credential. At the very end of that there are the Rubrics and I printed those out and before I turned in my report I went through every single one of those and made sure I met every rubric to the T. So it’s not a secret what you need to do to succeed, you just need to understand what it’s talking about and then do it So, I like that. There are Rubrics. I think it’s so helpful and even if you’re not seeking credential, you can go look at those Rubrics and see how your work is stacking up, you know, are what kind of a level are you working at with your research.
Diana (26m 57s):
It might be fun just to review and see, you know, what you maybe would need to improve on.
Nicole (27m 2s):
Very good. Thank you for sharing All. right. Well thanks Michelle for coming. Thank you for having me and to all our listeners, good luck with your goals and if you’re working on a credential, we hope that this helped you to think about some ways you can improve your work and become a better researcher. All. right everyone, we’ll talk to you again next week. Bye-bye.
Diana (27m 25s):
Bye-bye.
Nicole (27m 26s):
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