Today’s episode of Research Like a Pro is about organizing your DNA matches by adding them to your Ancestry tree. We talk about building trees for your matches within one master tree so you don’t have a long list of Ancestry trees. We also go over how to add a floating or disconnected branch to your Ancestry tree to allow you to build your matches’ trees and find the common ancestor. We review privacy settings for Ancestry trees as well as MyTreeTags.
Transcript
Nicole (03s):
This is Research Like a Pro Episode 139: Adding DNA Matches to your Ancestry Tree. Welcome to Research Like a Pro a Genealogy Podcast about taking your research to the next level, hosted by Nicole Dyer and Diana Elder accredited genealogy professional. Diana and Nicole are the mother-daughter team at FamilyLocket.com and the creators of the Amazon bestselling book, Research Like a Pro a Genealogists Guide. I’m Nicole co-host of the podcast join Diana and me as we discuss how to stay organized, make progress in our research and solve difficult cases. Let’s go. Hi everyone. Welcome to Research Like a Pro.
Diana (47s):
Hi, Nicole, how are you doing today?
Nicole (50s):
Good. We’ve been working on getting our new book out and it’s been really exciting to see it up on Amazon and preorder and thanks to all of our listeners and followers who helped us jump to the number one spot in genealogy books. That was fun. So you can go to Amazon now and search for Research Like a Pro with DNA, and you’ll find it there as an ebook.
Diana (1m 8s):
Yeah, it’s so exciting to finally have that completed. It’s been a work in progress for two years, getting that process down and testing it and then getting everything into a book. So we hope everyone will check it out and use it to make some progress with your DNA. Absolutely.
Nicole (1m 23s):
What have you been working on Diana?
Diana (1m 25s):
Well, we just finished up RootsTech, which was so fun and exciting. It was really an interesting online conference because they had the live chatting feature and I was busy Thursday, Friday and Saturday of the conference all day, responding to chats from either people at our family locket booth for the virtual expo hall or in my classroom chat rooms. And it was super fun to get feedback from people on the classes and answer their questions. So we are excited because RootsTech is going to keep up all the videos and the expo hall for an entire year.
Diana (2m 6s):
If any of you did not get a chance to listen to any of the classes you have got a year to go listen to them. So I know a lot of people went on the website and were a little confused about how to find classes. So what I would suggest is just putting in our names. So you can search just for Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, or Robin Wirthlin, and then you can find all the classes that we did, and we have everything from five minute videos, tips and tricks up to 20 minute demo videos and 20 minute class videos. And I even have a couple of hour long videos. So just kind of a little bit of everything for you.
Diana (2m 46s):
So we really hope you’ll go check out the fun routes tech offerings, and they’re all free and available for you.
Nicole (2m 54s):
Yes. One thing that’s tricky is if you want to watch any booth demo videos, you can’t search the class sessions for those. So you have to go to the expo hall site and go to the specific booths, and then you can see all the demo videos that people have. And so if you want to see my video on AirTable, that’s part of the Family Locket booth.
Diana (3m 11s):
Right. Great. Just have to explore that website a little bit, try doing some of the searches click around.
Nicole (3m 18s):
All right. We just want to remind you that to get our newsletter every Monday with coupon codes and things you need to sign up for our newsletter. And that will also give you notifications of new podcast episodes and blog posts. And we are starting our Spring study group. If you would like to join our next study group, then we have a special email list for that. That is our city group notifications. And the next time you can register for something will be in the summer when we start registration for our fall DNA study group. Yeah.
Diana (3m 54s):
Yes. And we hope to have many of you join us for that. If you’re interested in being a mentor for that, then please look at Family Locket to get more information about how that works. We had a lot of questions during roots tech about the study groups and the DNA study group. And so I highly suggest that if you’re interested in taking it, that you start now to prepare with kind of upping your game on your DNA education. We’re going to talk all about DNA today. And we have a really fun listener spotlight. This is Rick Wilson, PhD, from Austin, Texas, and we are excited about this because Rick talks all about some methods that he used, that he learned on the podcast about how to do DNA.
Diana (4m 41s):
So here we go: “Hi, Diana and Nicole. I just wanted to send you a quick note to say that your podcasts have given me the confidence to help a cousin figure out who his great grandfather was and think about becoming a professional genealogist. During quarantine I discovered your podcast and it has been my traveling companion on my morning walks. Recently, I found a DNA match on my heritage that peaked my curiosity because it triangulated with another DNA match I had been actively investigating on ancestry.com. This match had a partial tree, but a large hole in it due to an adoption. I tried to contact the, MyHeritage match, but to no avail. Long story short, I found his cousin’s tree on Ancestry and contacted him and he ultimately shared with me, his Ancestry DNA matches along with his father’s and uncle’s matches too.
Diana (5m 30s):
I wasn’t sure if my genetic connection to him was through the adopted line, but I knew I had to try all avenues. Before I knew it I was helping him solve the mystery. Despite being adopted his grandmother always knew her mother, but would only quietly tell select family members, the surname of her father. That turned out to be the most helpful clue. Armed with this knowledge I dug into his DNA matches. While I’ve been doing genealogy since 2000 and actively using DNA since 2011, I found your podcast both inspiring and helpful. I use new tools such as What Are The Odds and the Leeds Method that you introduced me to in episode 68 and 69 respectively, and a number of new and forgotten about research tips scattered across every other episode, including uploading your DNA in multiple sites.
Diana (6m 21s):
For unknown reasons, I was ignoring MyHeritage, but it was this site that helped me to see other patterns that I could not in Ancestry and Family Tree DNA. I was amazed that in a matter of a week, I discovered who his great-grandfather was, who was easy to find the relevant DNA matches for his great-grandfather’s line given the surname that his grand mother had previously communicated before her death, the paternal line was certain but discerning whether it was the father, son, uncle, nephew was a challenge. I turned to finding DNA links to all the wives of these males. It was made more difficult with multiple marriages and half sibling relationships. Ultimately DNA matches led me to the maternal line. When I found his DNA matches links to both the paternal and maternal sides of one of the wives.
Diana (7m 4s):
Aha. This woman ended up being the mother to his newly discovered great grandfather along the way. I also use traditional paper trail research to help better pinpoint which people to investigate first. The best document was in 1915, New Jersey state census that showed his grandmother’s mother lived one block away from one of the families of interest and ultimately his grandmother’s father. With her being conceived in 1916 this was the icing on the genealogical cake. I found this entire process exhilarating. I had already used your episode 110 on developmental activities to recently sign up for the FGS conference, but it also now has me thinking about becoming a certified genealogist.
Diana (7m 47s):
And here’s just one more kicker. The newly discovered line that I helped my distant cousin uncover happens to contain the family links back to the other DNA match I mentioned earlier as being the reason why I initially contacted him. Unfortunately it doesn’t yet break through my brick wall, but it does get me closer to doing so because I now have a relatively uncommon surname that is common between my initial two DNA matches. And both families are in the same geographic area. This is not a bad clue. Given the era I’m now researching is in the late 1700s and early 1800s.” Wow. Well, thank you Rick, for writing that, that was just fun to have a little mini case study working through a research project.
Nicole (8m 28s):
Yeah, that was great. And I think it’s helpful to hear how somebody else had worked through the case and some of the things that were helpful, like transferring to additional sites for matches and using tools like What Are The Odds and especially integrating the documentary research.
Diana (8m 46s):
Exactly. I think it’s so interesting that something small, like just transferring to MyHeritage was the key. And I have found that in a lot of my DNA cases, that that one match that’s what you need to break through the case is on a different website than the one you’re using. So that really is key. Even though we hear it over and over transfer to all the different places, you know, our listeners may not realize how important that is.
Nicole (9m 12s):
Yes. Well, today we are talking about DNA matches and organizing them in a family tree. So why would you want to use a family tree program to put your DNA matches in and organize them that way? There’s a lot of reasons you can add your DNA match to a tree and then link them back to your common ancestor, to be able to see that line. You can also include DNA matches from various testing databases, all in one central location so that you can see all the people who are matches in that family. You can check the evidence for the parent child relationships, going back to the common ancestor and you can add documentation and you can build quick trees for DNA matches, who haven’t shared a full tree.
Nicole (9m 53s):
You can do descendancy research to find potential test takers, and you can build out a matches tree checking for more than one common ancestor, looking at all their different lines, doing the pedigree analysis, all of this is much easier to do in a family tree program than in diagram like Lucid chart.
Diana (10m 13s):
Right and I’m glad that we’re talking about the family tree programs and using them for DNA, because I think this is something that can be really beneficial and actually kind of fun when working with your DNA to do this. I know that one of the people that I chatted with during the RootsTech conference was concerned because she had so many DNA matches and anything that we can do to organize them is very beneficial. One of the things to think about is to build a master tree. And this is because you will see so many of your DNA matches that have small trees. Some of them have themselves, their parents, and if you’re lucky grandparents, and that could be for a number of reasons, but many of these just don’t go back far enough for you to find the common ancestor.
Diana (11m 2s):
And so as genetic genealogists, we use tree building tools like Ancestry, those Ancestry hints make us so fast at building trees. And so it’s really helpful to use Ancestry to build those trees, but it can be kind of tricky if you’re doing a new tree for each DNA match because you can soon get a long list of trees. So if you don’t want to have a long list of trees, you can have one master genetic tree and include all the DNA matches of a test taker or all the DNA matches of a particular side of the family.
Nicole (11m 38s):
Yes. I started building a lot of DNA match trees, and I had a bunch of different ones that were just for random matches and it started to get annoying because I would forget like, who is this person I built a tree for? And I never found the common ancestor and just kind of seemed frustrating to have them in my list. So I really liked this new way of doing it now, where I just build all of the trees for matches in one big tree for each test taker. So if you’re going to be using Ancestry to build your trees, you’ll need to think about what privacy setting you want to use. There are three different privacy settings for Ancestry. And the first one is obviously a public tree.
Nicole (12m 20s):
That’s viewable by anybody with an Ancestry subscription. And you can also invite people to collaborate who doesn’t have a subscription. People who can see your tree, won’t be able to see living people, they are marked private automatically. If you select living, when you create them, if you add someone to your tree, like if you have a public tree and you invite somebody to be a viewer of that tree, they won’t see the living people either. But if you invite them as a collaborator, they will see the living people. So there’s kind of two different levels. If you don’t want to have a public tree, you can create a private tree. That’s also searchable. And the reason you might want to have a private searchable tree is that other people can still find your tree when they searched the public member tree database, but they can’t see anything in it.
Nicole (13m 8s):
They have to ask your permission first and then you can share it with them. Another good thing about having a searchable tree like this private searchable tree is that it allows Ancestry Thrulines to work. And if you don’t set your tree to be searchable, Ancestry Thrulines will not be able to generate any hypotheses. So make sure you choose either public or private searchable if you’re planning to use Ancestry Thrulines. And then the last privacy setting is private and unsearchable. And if you don’t want your tree to appear in search results, then you should choose this. Just know that it won’t be able to work with Ancestry Thrulines. You might want to mark your research trees as unsearchable.
Nicole (13m 48s):
If you don’t want anyone to copy any unproven relationships into their tree, or if you’re working on a sensitive case, maybe an adoption case, and you just don’t want anyone to see what you’re working on. So in order to make it a private unsearchable tree, you have to select private. And then you have to go into your tree settings and check the box that says also prevent your tree from being found in searches. And then there’s one more tip for this. If you’re wanting to have a very private unsearchable tree and you don’t want anyone to find your tree, making sure that you don’t save photos of ancestors that other people have added to your tree, or even by any kind of photo that somebody else has uploaded.
Nicole (14m 28s):
Like if it’s an image of a headstone that a user has uploaded, if you save those to your tree, the people will be able to see your tree ina list of trees that have that photo. So just know that those images will show up. And the way to get rid of them is just to go to your media gallery and click on each photo to delete it from your tree. And you may want to keep your tree at this high level of privacy if you’re working on a very private or sensitive case.
Diana (14m 52s):
I’m so glad you went through all of those, because that was a question that just barely came in at RootsTech was what is the difference between these different levels and why would you want to use them? And I know when I did the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, advanced DNA practicum, we were to keep our trees that we used for each case, private and unsearchable. And I hadn’t known previous to that, that if you add it, those images, that that would still make your tree searchable, people could find it, or it would show up in a list. So we had to be very careful about that. And we kept getting emails that someone has not making their tree private and unsearchable.
Diana (15m 34s):
We’re seeing the tree. So I think we just get so excited to build these trees. And often if you just click on something, it, you know, to add an ancestor, it automatically adds those images. Then you have to go back and delete them. So just something to be aware of, especially if you’re working on an adoptee case and you’re not sure, you know how everybody matches up, you want to keep that as private as possible. Let’s talk about adding DNA Matches to your tree. So you can add your DNA matches as descendants of the ancestors. You’ve already identified in your tree by building their lineage down to the present day. This is a great thing to do so that you can always see exactly how your matches connect to the common ancestor.
Diana (16m 19s):
One thing you need to be aware of is to mark those DNA matches as living as well as their parents, unless, you know, for sure that they’re deceased and anyone who’s marked as living will be kept private when others view your tree, unless as you said, Nicole, you have let them be a collaborator. I like to add DNA matches to my tree, who I think will be useful in proving a certain case, and then attach the sources to document those parent child relationships, that to the common ancestor. And if we are writing a proof argument, we can cite this tree that we have built or add citations for each parent child link directly to the proof argument.
Diana (17m 1s):
When we’re working with our DNA, we always want to make sure that those generational links are accurate because any break in that can signal that DNA match not being a true match. So after we add the profile for the genetic cousin to the tree, then we can link the DNA match page to that profile. And this is a fun thing to do. You go to your DNA match page for your DNA cousin and find the pedigree icon, which is just to the right of the main heading. So for instance, for the match page of Nicole and I, it says you and Diana Elder’s list would be on Nicole’s page, and there’s a little icon there and you can click that and it will take you to your tree.
Diana (17m 45s):
And once you find them in your tree, you can link them. And then every time you look at that match page, it will show that they are linked to your tree. And when you click on it, it goes right to their profile and your tree. So sometimes I have a match and I know who they are, but when I go to my tree, I haven’t actually added them as a living descendant of our common ancestor. And so then I have to do the work to add those generations down to my match, and then I can link them. This is something that’s kind of a simple thing that you can do for your closest matches. And the more you do this with your match list, the more you’ll feel organized and know exactly who all of your matches are in that match list.
Nicole (18m 33s):
Yes, it is nice to have those links, right from the match page and be able to click through and see them in your tree. Another quick way to add a line back to the common ancestor is to use through lines. You can add people straight from Thrulines. So if you haven’t used Thrulines, it basically shows how you might be connected to your DNA matches through a common ancestor. It looks like a big descendancy tree from a certain common ancestor. And so if you have a public or private searchable tree connected to your DNA results, you will probably receive some Thrulines hypotheses. They’re not proven conclusions about ancestors, but they can help you see some possibilities. And after you evaluate the Thruline, and if it has matches that are larger than 15 centimorgans and they all seem to be shared matches with each other, that’s pretty good indicator that the Thruline could be accurate.
Nicole (19m 20s):
And then you can start checking the documentary research. So if you have already decided that it’s accurate and you want to add people to your tree from Thrulines, you can add each person in the Thruline, down to the DNA, match to your tree straight from Thrulines, but you can’t add the DNA match from Thrulines. You have to add them manually and then link them manually. So it kind of helps you get that line down to the match, and then you can go and add the match to your tree. So what you can do is if there is a dotted line around a person and Thrulines, that means the person is not in your tree and you can click the evaluate label and a sidebar will pop out and you can look at different sources and different trees that have that relationship in it, then decide if you want to add it or not to your tree.
Nicole (20m 1s):
And if you do decide to add it, you just click next at the bottom of that side panel. And then that adds the person to your tree. And then you can go to the next person to evaluate and do the same thing. And then after you add the parent of the DNA match, you can click the button in the side panel to go view the parent’s profile. And then from their profile page, you can add the match to your tree by clicking add child. After you add the child, you can mark them as living and put in there and DNA match name, and then link that to your DNA match page for them. One thing to watch out for in Thrulines is if you’re seeing all the DNA matches descending from just one child, it may not be accurate. So usually you’ll see a Thruline hypothesis for an ancestor who has like four children.
Nicole (20m 45s):
And then there’ll be DNA matches descending from all four of those different children. But if you just see one child and they’re all descending through that person, and it’s probably your ancestor, that Thru-line doesn’t really tell you much about that ancestor. It just tells you about their child. So I’ve seen some of those before, and it seems kind of silly, but you never know. It’s a computer generated program.
Diana (21m 5s):
Yeah. As you were talking, I was thinking that, you know, a good way to work through this process would be to use Thrulines. And you could start with your grandparents and identify all of your first cousins and make sure that they’re all connected to your tree and then go on to your second cousins. And I would really recommend just working on one ancestral couple at a time, because what you do is when you’re adding these people to Thrulines, you want to be looking at the records and hopefully ancestors providing some hints with census records or vital records so that you can verify each person that you’re adding. And it’s just helpful. Once you are in one family to be working with their records and familiarize yourself again with them.
Diana (21m 50s):
Sometimes we get up on these far branches of our family tree, and we kind of forget all the records that we have found in the past for a certain couple. So working with one ancestor and their descendants is a fun way to make sure you’ve got those connections, correct.
Nicole (22m 5s):
Yeah. And sometimes the, when we’re doing descendancy research, it is hard to find the next generation, like every once in a while, I’ll run into a person where I can’t find their marriage or who their family was to build the tree forward. But finding a DNA match who descends from that line, they’ve already done the research and they have already built the tree. And then you can just go see what they have for the line and you can evaluate their sources. And then you can see, oh, this is why it was hard to find they were using their middle name in the census and the marriage was in a different county. And then you can kind of figure out and evaluate, oh yeah, that does look right. So it makes it a lot easier to build the descendency branches down. When you have those little hints from your DNA matches, who’ve already built the line.
Diana (22m 48s):
Absolutely. Let’s talk about another tool that you can use in these trees. And that’s adding a disconnected branch and that lets you build their tree until you discover the common ancestor. Once you find the connection, then you can link up their floating branch to an ancestor already in the tree. This is really helpful if you have no idea how your DNA match connects to you. Building trees for matches however, who share less than 15 centimorgans, may not be a good practice because they could be a false match. And you really don’t want to spend a lot of time building a tree for a match who may not ever share a common ancestor with you.
Diana (23m 28s):
So I would recommend working on those matches who are a little bit closer and building their trees. So how do you do this to add a person to your family tree when you don’t know how they’re related to anyone else in the tree? What you do is you first add them as a spouse or a child to someone that you do have in your tree, and then you simply remove the relationship. So it doesn’t matter who you add them to. You’re just going to remove that relationship. And then they become a floating or disconnected branch in the tree. And then once you’ve done the genealogy work and you figure out who the ancestor is, then you can connect them. And so this is a way to do some research for someone within that large genetic tree that you’ve created and not have to just build another little tree or create a separate little tree, a common reason to do this is when you’re building a tree for a close DNA match.
Diana (24m 21s):
Remember we want to have something larger than 15 so maybe even as large as 40 centimorgans or larger, and you’re sure they are genetic relative. And the hope is that after building up their tree, you’ll find that common ancestor and be able to link them. And in this case, you’ll add the name of your DNA match as the floating branch to your tree, and you will work to build their tree and you can use the My Tree Tags feature to tag your matches. So you can find these floating branches later, and you can add the link to their position in the tree to a research log. So you can remember that you worked on this matches tree. I think sometimes we get going on our research and we forget some of the things that we’ve done.
Diana (25m 3s):
So having that in your research log is so valuable. The simplest way to add a floating branch to your Ancestry tree, as I said, is to add them as a spouse, to an existing person, and then remove the relationship. And this is even easier than adding them as a child because you only have one person to link the relationship with. So you go to the profile of any person in your tree and click the add button on the right side, next to family, then click spouse. And then the little pop-up box appears and you type the name of the person you’re adding as a floating branch. Then you can choose male or female.
Diana (25m 43s):
If you’re adding a spouse to a male, the gender will automatically be female, but then you can change it. And if you’re adding a living person like your genetic match, be sure to select living. So they’ll be private to people who are viewing your tree and then go to the person you’ve added in the list of spouses, click on the person to go to their profile page. And then you edit the relationship and you delete that relationship. And it’ll say, are you sure you want to remove this relationship? And you are sure because it wasn’t correct. And then after you click remove the person you added will have no relationships showing in their relationships box.
Diana (26m 23s):
And they’re just out there as a floating branch and you can start building their tree and figuring out how they will eventually connect with you.
Nicole (26m 32s):
You may be wondering how do I ever find that floating branch again, if they’re not connected to anyone. And there’s a couple of ways. Diana mentioned that you can add a link to them in your research log so that you can quickly find them in your tree. There’s also the tree search, which I use quite often in Ancestry, where you can search within your own tree and find people that way. And another way is to label them with My Tree Tags at Ancestry. So let’s talk about those My Tree Tags. My Tree Tags is a relatively new thing that Ancestry created to give you a way to filter and sort anybody in your tree. But one of the texts that you can use is the DNA match tag. And that one is really helpful when you’re adding DNA Matches to your tree, you can quickly see all of the people who are matches that you’ve added by just going to that.
Nicole (27m 17s):
And then it lists all the DNA matches for you that you’ve added. So there’s actually three default DNA tags that you can use to help identify people in your Ancestry tree when you’re doing DNA work. And the first one is Common DNA Ancestor. And this is a tag that you would apply to a common ancestor between you and one of your matches. And then there’s DNA Connection, which is the person who is a relative on the path between a DNA match and a common ancestor. And then the DNA Match tag is a person in your match list. And you can also make your own custom tags. And this could be the name of a common ancestral couple, like if you want to do the Ross and Sylvia’s line and tag everybody who’s from that family, you could just create your own Ross Sylvia’s tag or anything that might be useful to you.
Nicole (28m 1s):
One of the tags I use a lot is a default tag that Ancestry already had, which is hypothesis or something like that, that lets people know that you’re still researching this person. I think they have one called actively researching so that you can let people know this hasn’t been proven. I’m still working on it. But the great thing about these tags is basically, like I said before, being able to sort and find all of the people who are part of that group. So all of the DNA matches or all of the people who are in the Ross Sylvia’s family.
Diana (28m 29s):
I think the tree tags are so nice and I’m grateful that Ancestry put those into play for us. And I have seen a lot of people using the actively researching and the DNA tags. So I think those are super fun. It just feels good to have some organization to your DNA matches within your tree on Ancestry. And because so many of us have our DNA on Ancestry and have our trees it’s a great way to connect the two. Now you might be feeling kind of overwhelmed thinking, oh my goodness, I have thousands of matches. Do I have to connect them all to my tree? I just want to remind you that when you are researching that you need to have your focus objective.
Diana (29m 9s):
Of course, there are thousands of projects we could be doing on our Ancestry all the time, but we have to focus in on one and make progress one by one. And it’s the same thing with your DNA. So, you know, that’s what we teach in our research like approach DNA process, and the new book is going to lead you through that, or course lead you through that. But it’s the same idea. What do you want to know about your DNA matches? Is there an unknown ancestor or do you have an unknown match or do you just want to verify an ancestor with DNA that you focus in on those DNA matches and you let the rest of them just stay out there that helps you to feel like you’re making progress and not spinning your wheels. So we want you to be able to feel like you’re making these small pieces of progress as you go.
Nicole (29m 55s):
Yeah. You can’t probably add all of your DNA matches to your tree. That’s a good point. You know, we’re not suggesting that you do that, but when you find ones that are relevant to a project you’re doing, and you’re writing a report or writing a proof argument, that’s a really good time to add them to your tree because you know, you’re going to be using that match and their documentation back to the common ancestor to prove your case.
Diana (30m 16s):
Right? Well, we hope everyone has fun. And if you do nothing else, just go to your ancestor tree and try doing one of these tips and see how fun it is. It actually is easy and it helps you to feel like you’re a little bit more productive and organized with your DNA matches.
Nicole (30m 33s):
Okay. Everybody have a great week and we’ll talk to you again next. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you for listening. We hope that something you heard today will help you make progress in your research. If you want to learn more, purchase our book Research Like a Pro a Genealogist Guide on Amazon.com and other booksellers. You can also register for our Research Like a Pro online course or join our next study group. Learn more at FamilyLocket.com. To share your progress and ask questions join our private Facebook group by sending us your book receipt or joining our eCourse or study group. If you like what you heard and would like to support this podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review. We hope you’ll start now to Research Like a Pro.
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